[I think this is attributable to Rock Waterman?]
D&C 93:1 Verily, thus saith the Lord: It shall come to pass that every soul who forsaketh his sins and cometh unto me, and calleth on my name, and obeyeth my voice, and keepeth my commandments, shall see my face and know that I am
c.f. remarks from "the Boise Rescue" meeting:
Richard Turley: approx 1:00:30
Another claim accusation is that the church is not teaching what is necessary for exaltation, for example, some say that only those who see the face of Jesus Christ in mortality will receive Celestial Glory.
Dallin H. Oaks: 1:00:36
Of course, all of the righteous desire to see the face of our Savior, but the suggestions that this must happen in mortality is a familiar tactic of the adversary. To identify a worthy goal, such as to achieve exaltation, and then to use the desirability of that goal and people’s enthusiasm for it to obscure the new means the adversary suggests to achieve it. The means are important, even vital. As the Lord said in another setting, ‘it must needs be done in mine own way.’
Richard E Turley: 1:03:55
Another claim accusation that we sometimes hear is that current apostles have no right to run the affairs of the church since they do not meet the New Testament standard of apostles because they do not testify of having seen Christ.
Dallin H. Oaks: 1:04:11
The first answer to this claim is that modern apostles are called to be witnesses of the name of Christ in all the world, Doctrine and Covenants 107:23. This is not to witness of a personal manifestation. To witness of the name is to witness of the plan, the work, or mission such as the atonement and the authority or priesthood of the Lord Jesus Christ, which an apostle who holds the keys is uniquely responsible to do.
Of course apostles are also witnesses of Christ just like all members of the Church who have the gift of the Holy Ghost. This is because the mission of the Holy Ghost is to witness of the Father and the Son. In addition, while some early apostles and other members of the church have had the sublime spiritual experience of seeing the Savior and some have made a public record of this, in the circumstances of today we are counseled not to speak of our most sacred spiritual experiences, otherwise with modern technology that can broadcast something all over the world, a remark made in a sacred and a private setting can be said abroad in violation of the Savior's commandment not to cast our pearls before swine.
(see, D&C 112:23-26)
by Log:
Modern technology has been used successfully - by the Church - to broadcast accounts of spiritual experiences to the world - for example, by publishing and distributing the scriptures. Within the scriptures are accounts of spiritual experiences, which Oaks is implying are "pearls," being spoken of before unbelievers or even hostile audiences - "swine," in the sense that Oaks is using the word - which experiences include even the visitation of angels, and the Savior himself.
. . .
By calling the teaching of the Lord Jesus Christ that one must receive him in the world or else not obtain exaltation "a familiar tactic of the adversary" while speaking to an assemblage of the Lord's covenant people (by baptism) Elder Oaks has literally blasphemed against the Lord in the midst of the Lord's household.
And he professes to know the name of the Lord.
c.f. remarks from "the Boise Rescue" meeting:
Richard Turley: approx 1:00:30
Another claim accusation is that the church is not teaching what is necessary for exaltation, for example, some say that only those who see the face of Jesus Christ in mortality will receive Celestial Glory.
Dallin H. Oaks: 1:00:36
Of course, all of the righteous desire to see the face of our Savior, but the suggestions that this must happen in mortality is a familiar tactic of the adversary. To identify a worthy goal, such as to achieve exaltation, and then to use the desirability of that goal and people’s enthusiasm for it to obscure the new means the adversary suggests to achieve it. The means are important, even vital. As the Lord said in another setting, ‘it must needs be done in mine own way.’
Richard E Turley: 1:03:55
Another claim accusation that we sometimes hear is that current apostles have no right to run the affairs of the church since they do not meet the New Testament standard of apostles because they do not testify of having seen Christ.
Dallin H. Oaks: 1:04:11
The first answer to this claim is that modern apostles are called to be witnesses of the name of Christ in all the world, Doctrine and Covenants 107:23. This is not to witness of a personal manifestation. To witness of the name is to witness of the plan, the work, or mission such as the atonement and the authority or priesthood of the Lord Jesus Christ, which an apostle who holds the keys is uniquely responsible to do.
Of course apostles are also witnesses of Christ just like all members of the Church who have the gift of the Holy Ghost. This is because the mission of the Holy Ghost is to witness of the Father and the Son. In addition, while some early apostles and other members of the church have had the sublime spiritual experience of seeing the Savior and some have made a public record of this, in the circumstances of today we are counseled not to speak of our most sacred spiritual experiences, otherwise with modern technology that can broadcast something all over the world, a remark made in a sacred and a private setting can be said abroad in violation of the Savior's commandment not to cast our pearls before swine.
(see, D&C 112:23-26)
by Log:
Modern technology has been used successfully - by the Church - to broadcast accounts of spiritual experiences to the world - for example, by publishing and distributing the scriptures. Within the scriptures are accounts of spiritual experiences, which Oaks is implying are "pearls," being spoken of before unbelievers or even hostile audiences - "swine," in the sense that Oaks is using the word - which experiences include even the visitation of angels, and the Savior himself.
. . .
By calling the teaching of the Lord Jesus Christ that one must receive him in the world or else not obtain exaltation "a familiar tactic of the adversary" while speaking to an assemblage of the Lord's covenant people (by baptism) Elder Oaks has literally blasphemed against the Lord in the midst of the Lord's household.
And he professes to know the name of the Lord.
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